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    Posted: 26 Oct 2016 at 9:46am

Hello Everyone,

My name is Nick and I've been a model railroader all my life, but this is the first time that I am going to do a military layout. The scale will be HO-2 rail and for now all of my engines are Roco. I have been ordering all my stuff for the layout from Reynauld's, they are helpful and quick. I am in the process of remodeling the room to do my "shelf" layout. The layout itself will be a foot deep by 28 feet long in a "U" shape in a 12 x 12 office that I have in my house. Photos will follow as I am getting the hang of this forum. Looking forward in hanging arouind here with the rest of the members.


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Welcome in the Reynauld's Community.

Roco has a lot to offer in the military section. Faller also had a military line but I think it is out of production and only available sometimes on auction platform's or if a dealer still has some older stock. If you visit my thread here, I build a small German military station with an air field. There are also some other company's that produce military items in HO scale.
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Markus, I saw the layout that you are building and it is awesome !!! Looks like you have done your homework. Please keep us posted.

Yes, I am planning to get/order most of my military equipment from REI/Artitech whatever else I find that I like/want. The biggest issue is that a lot of the stuff that I want to get are back order and the waiting time is pretty long. But I guess that is the nature of the beast. My layout will be based on WWII in Germany in 1938-39. Since my layout will be small I am going to use only two engines, BR80 Shunting engine and the BR 50. So far the layout will be from point to point.



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Hallo Nick:

Welcome to the forum.  Your project sounds like an interesting one.  A caveat though: The locomotives you are thinking about, a pre-war German layout 1038/1039 (the war started 09/01/1939) cannot represented with the BR50.  It was only produced from 1939 onward. The BR 50 would be more at home on freights. 

Since it looks like that your layout represents a secondary line, I would use a BR64 (official a passenger loco) or BR86 (the freight version of the 64 class) tank engine since they were both used on freights and passenger trains.  If you like larger engines, either the BR55 or the BR57 class would do the job.  None of the other biggies like 01, 03, 41, 44, 58 would have been used on the type of line your layout is to represent.  Finally, the war locomotives 42 and 52 can only be used from 1944 and 1943 on respectively.  Their prototypes appeared about 6 months before that, but serious production started only in the year indicated.

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Ulrich, thank you for the info but as I understand, the BR50 was manufactured in 1939. According to Wikipedia :"This class was procured as part of the German Nazi party's preparations for war that led into the Second World War." So I thought it was appropriate for the time. Am I wrong ?? Please clarified this, I appreciate any information since I am new to German railroad.
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Hello Nick:

Yes the 50 was built in 1939, but not really as a preparation for war.  The design dates back to 1937 when it was realized that a replacement for older locos like the BR 57 (Prussian G10) was needed for service on branch lines.  In particular, it does not have any of the simplification which were introduced during the war.  Actually, the only modification from the standard DR practice was the ability to burn inferior coal which was suggested by the military.  Similarly, the 23 class was introduced as a possible replacement for the Prussian P8 (38 class) passenger locomotive.  It had the same boiler and tender as the 50.  There was a general attempt to increase the speed of freight trains in order to move goods faster, e.g. the 41 class had a top speed of 90km/h.  Since the BR57 had a top-speed of 60km/h, this was deemed to slow.  Less than 130 of the 50 class were built in 1939, the remaining 3000 in 1940 and later.  On a layout of a secondary line set in 1939, the 57 class is a much better choice. 

Finally, there seems to be this general idea going around that Germany was already planning for "total" war in 1939.  If this were the case, then the German army's tank divisions would not have been equipped to the most part with Panzer I and Panzer II, but the more powerful Panzer III and Panzer IV.  Even in May 1940, Czech designs of the Panzer 38t were used widely in tank divisions, and the Panzer I and II survived quite some time after the French campaign.  In reality, neither the army nor the navy were ready for a major war in 1939.  They were strong enough to defeat Poland, but if England and France would have attacked in the West in September 1939, it would have all been over in three months.

The leadership was gambling on Allied inactivity.  While definitely planning on a war, they did not see the big one coming in 1939.   Although the orders for all steam locomotives except the 44, 50 and 86 classes of freight engines were cancelled in 1940, the railroads did not switch over to war production till some time in late 1941 and early 1942 when simplification of the 50 class were introduced.  The 52 class was the final product of these simplifications, but did not see the rails in any numbers till 1943.
 
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Ulrich

Thank you so much for the well informed details. Made it very clear. I appreciate the time you took to help me out. That is great. I have no choice but to keep the 50 but definitely I will look for a BR64, I like the wheel arrangment better, plus it is a nice "small" looking engine. I was not planning to get any more engines, but you twisted my arm, knocked me down and beat me up...so I give up and buy another engine. Ha !!!!!  Thanks for the beating...you can never have too many engines, isn't that right !!! :)

Nick

PS: Putting another order in for Reynauld's

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Back-drop: Last night I started to install the back-drop using form core on the layout which will be painted blue. I tried to post some photos but i was not successful. Tonight I will continue to install the rest of the form core so that tomorrow I will focus painting the background.
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Nick:

You can never have enough engines.  The 50 would be a good candidate for a troop train, especially part of a tank division.  But keep in mind, mostly Panzer 1 and Panzer 2, may be a couple Panzer 3 with the 37mm gun, not the 50mm, and Panzer IV with the 75mm short.  No Sturmgeschuetz though.  This type of train would be short but heavy.  Suggested compostion:

1 2nd class two or three axle passenger car for the officer, two 3 class thunderboxes for the crew, three two axled flat cars one with a truck and one 50mm PAK, one with a truck and a 20mm or 37mm single-barreled  AA, and the last with two reconnaissance cars (20mm gun at most)  and 6 heavy duty flat cars: 1 with two Panzer 1, 2 with two Panzer 2, 1 with a Panzer 3 and one with a Panzer 4.  If you have space, add a few more cars with tanks.  No caboose. 

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Originally posted by skyhawk skyhawk wrote:

... I tried to post some photos but i was not successful. Tonight I will continue to install the rest of the form core so that tomorrow I will focus painting the background.

In case you are not aware:  To post photos here, you first have to post them to another site, such as some of the free photo sharing sites, then link to that photo.

You cannot post pictures directly here.

Hope that helps.  We're always interested in photos of what others are working on.

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